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    I know all the reasons for using leaders and concur with them.

    But I like them for another reason. It's weird, but I enjoy tying the double uni knot to connect the leader to the braid and also I like tying the loop knot to make the leader to lure connection.

    Maybe I should check out some Macrame forums...just kidding.
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    I have noticed knot failures under extreme pressure of fighting CNRs only with Red Label florocarbon...like the braid actually cuts the 20# florocarbon but not had any failures with 20# Berkeley Trilene monofilament....and I use double Uni knots-to join the lines together...and it has happened three different times...so If I do use Leader it will not be floro
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    Ron,

    Obviously you are catching fish that are too big. Just catch small fish like me and you'll never have to worry about your lines breaking!

    Seriously, I too like Trilene, especially XL. I also use it for tippet when warm water fly fishing. I use a double surgeons knot for that connection and have never had a failure...again, catching small fish is the key.
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    Ron, I agree...knot strength and effective ness is not as good with fluorocarbon....no doubt.

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    Yeah, even tried the “Alberto knot” and the double double uni knot...same results...nearing the breaking strength of the line, the braid cuts the floro like a knife...the FG knot seems better, but mono is so much more dependable and cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaultmtd View Post
    ...the FG knot seems better, but mono is so much more dependable and cheaper
    I mainly use an FG with fluoro. The only time Ive had issues is when I'm being too impatient to tie it properly, which is my fault. I've learned that if I'm too lazy tie it right, I'll just use a double uni. When an FG is tied properly, the braid or fluoro will give before the knot (given similar test lines). To be honest, I've never had one break at the knot. The biggest issue I had with the knot was the learning curve. Not too bad but man those first few times tying it are a major PITA.

    While I appreciate all the tech involved in fishing and the materials science behind knot variations, we do overthink it all. People have been catching fish with rod and line for 4000 years. From vines, to braided horse hair, to braided silk, to your dacrons, spectras, etc. They all caught fish. I try to make a point of taking a primitive fishing trip with my kid each year. Bamboo poles, no reels and a few feet of mono from that random spool in the back of your tackle box that you don't remember buying, its always just been there for as long as you can remember. Its always a good time.
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    +1 on FG, bomb proof when tied properly. Tough to tie in the kayak though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mike View Post
    +1 on FG, bomb proof when tied properly. Tough to tie in the kayak though.
    I stumbled upon a way. I've been meaning to make a video and upload it, but keep getting sidetracked. The way I do it, unless the conditions are so rough that you are worried about being flipped by a rogue wave, you can tie it. Wind isn't an issue. I'll see what I can put together. No promises about video quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhunter344 View Post
    I stumbled upon a way. I've been meaning to make a video and upload it, but keep getting sidetracked. The way I do it, unless the conditions are so rough that you are worried about being flipped by a rogue wave, you can tie it. Wind isn't an issue. I'll see what I can put together. No promises about video quality.
    Looking forward to it
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    Salt Strong did a test...on You Tube...tested the abrasion resistance of 20# Ande Vs. Florocarbon...mono won everytime...six tests...six wins for Ande...so my decision to go with cheap mono is now backed by fact...
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