Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: Recommendation for Bottom Fishing Rod

  1. #1

    Default Recommendation for Bottom Fishing Rod

    Disclaimer: This thread is based on one's preference and one's budget. So, there is no right or wrong answer. At the end of the day, being out on the water means #winning.

    Looking for your advice on a bottom fishing rod. I did my initial research by searching through this forum, good information.

    Assumptions:
    - For now, I only fish spinning. It's what I'm comfortable with.
    - Rod that I can bottom fish using 2 to 6 ounces sinkers
    - Rod that has some backbone for hard fighting fish like sheepshead and togs
    - Rod with sensitivity to detect light bites (sheepshead)
    - Rod length below 7', ideally 6' 6"
    - Rod with good components that will not corrode with higher salinity water
    - Cost - 0 to 200 dollars. If the rod is over 100 dollars, it needs to have decent warranty
    - Bonus: Ability to jig with the rod

    Following rods were identified as potential candidates.
    1. Shimano Travela S - $179
    http://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-...ning-rods.html
    2. Shimano Travela - $129
    http://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-...ning-rods.html
    3. Bass Pro Muskie - $39, this is a casting rod, I'm assuming I won't be casting, I should be OK.
    http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shop...oduct/2232466/
    4. St. Croix - Premiere Musky - $169, this is a casting rod, I'm assuming I won't be casting, I should be OK.
    http://www.basspro.com/St-Croix-Prem...product/77738/
    5. St. Croix - Mojo Spinning Jig - $200
    http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-mojo-jig-rods.html
    6. Ugly Stick Big Water - $59
    http://www.basspro.com/Ugly-Stik-Big...roduct/178497/
    Last edited by Seasalt; 03-16-2017 at 04:27 PM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Pasadena, MD
    Posts
    452

    Default

    Of those I have none, but since you're looking at St Croix you might consider the Tidemaster series. They are designed for brackish/salt water and I really enjoy mine.
    2015 Hobie Outback
    2001 Dagger Cayman

    John

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    3,658

    Default

    I rarely bottom fish (by this I am referring to dropping bait to the bottom using some type of bottom rig; light tackle jigging on the bottom is a different technique that I do using spinning tackle) these days, so I cannot tell you what I think is the "best" rod for your planned use. I'm sure you will get a range of opinions about what is the "best" rod. When looking for new rods, reels, or tackle (or just about anything else I shop for) I typically prefer to have a search range and look for the "best bang for the buck" rod or reel or any other tackle. You might think that rod A is the best fit for your use, but it costs $150. You may find rod B on sale for $75 that comes very close to the performance of rod A. Or you may find rod C, with extremely high quality, that is on sale for $200. If I am the shopper in that scenario, I typically look at rod B or rod C, because I am getting more value for my money in either case. As a senior fisherman who has gone through several generations of rods and reels during the past 30 years of fishing, I now avoid buying low end rods and reels and spend the extra money on higher quality gear -- but I make sure I am getting a value-laden deal when I buy the expensive tackle. I have the expendable income to afford it, the better gear tends to last longer, and it makes for a lighter or smoother performance.

    Another consideration is new vs. used. For example, I sold two used G. Loomis rods this week. Normal retail is >$250. Because I did not need those rods, I wanted to move them out of my rod collection and priced them at $125. In this case, the rods were in nearly-new condition. They buyers got a good deal on rods that had a higher value to them than what they paid. Used rods in very good to moderate condition and with a range of starting quality are often listed on Snaggedline.

    As noted above, I rarely bottom fish, and when I do bottom fish, I use the same medium spinning rigs that I use for other styles of fishing and typically no more than 2 oz of weight. But my experience is that if you plan to use more than 2-3 oz of weight, you are better off using a revolving spool reel on a stout rod. Winding a heavy bottom rig up and down many times, especially if you are working in deep water, is not the best fit for a spinning rod and reel. Whether you buy an expensive Avet reel or a more moderate Penn combo, you have better control of your rig with the revolving spool reel.

    If you plan to bottom fish near structure (e.g., jettys, pilings, wrecks, etc), you may want to stay away from expensive rods that can get scratched and beat up by bumping against the structure -- especially when fishing in a kayak that is subject to movement by waves.

    I will finish by noting my opinion that there is no "right" or "wrong" or "best" rod out there. Your budget and preferences will help you choose something that should catch fish.
    Last edited by J.A. Veil; 03-16-2017 at 04:11 PM.
    John Veil
    Annapolis
    Native Watercraft Manta Ray 11 and Slayer Propel 10
    Member - Pro Staff team for Native Watercraft

    Author - "Fishing in the Comfort Zone" - light tackle fishing techniques for kayaks and small boats

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    102

    Default

    I bottom kayak fish a lot mainly for fluke but also the occasional weakfish. For bucktail jigging use a Daiwa aird coastal baitcaster spoiled with 10# fireline on an old bass crankbait rod from bass pro. My other set up is a cheap freshwater spinning reel spoiled with 6# mono on a yard sale medium power spinning rod for slip bobber fishing.

    These can handle just about anything (including 3 1/2 foot brown sharks, but not cownose rays or butterfly rays).

    I have quality rods for striper jigging. Stradic FJ 3000 on a 7' MH tidemaster and a Stradic CI4 FA 3000 on a avid inshore MHF modified tip (LOL). And a spheros fb 4000 on a premier 7' HF2 for throwing largre topwater plugs.

    For deeper inshore fluke (60-100+ feet), I'm all conventional. Daiwa HD 300 XSL on a shimano teramar 7' MH and an Avet SX 5.3 on a Tsunami 7'. I forget what the rod specs are but it can handle 14 oz. I agree with John about the value of a conventional in deep water.
    Last edited by hookmeup; 03-16-2017 at 12:51 PM.

  5. #5

    Default

    Thanks John for the feedback. I have come to realize your general approach might be mine as well - buy best quality for lowest price possible.

    I won't be fishing very deep, mostly fishing near structure (Kipo, CBBT, Cape Henlopen) for sheepshead and togs. I'm thinking I don't really need a casting reel since I will not be fishing in deep water.

  6. #6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hookmeup View Post
    I botttom fish a lot mainly for fluke but also the occasional weakfish. For bucktail jigging use a Daiwa aird coastal baitcaster spoiled with 10# fireline on an old bass crankbait rod from bass pro. My other set up is a cheap freshwater spinning reel spoiled with 6# mono on a yard sale medium power spinning rod for slip bobber fishing.

    These can handle just about anything (including 3 1/2 foot brown sharks).

    I have the quality rods for striper jigging. Stradic 3000 on a 7' MH tidemaster and a Stradic CI4 3000 on a avid inshore MHF modified tip (LOL). And a spheros fb 4000 on a premier 7' HF2 for throwing largre topwater plugs.

    For inshore fluke, I'm all conventional. Daiwa HD 300 XSL on a shimano teramar 7' MH and an Avet SX 5.3 on a Tsunami 7'. I forget what the rod specs are but it can handle 14 oz.
    Cool. I just got a Stradic CI4 4000 from Tackle Warehouse for clearance price. I'm looking for a rod for it. I have bunch of St. Croix rods (avid, premiere, legend) but they are all over 8 feet and intended for shore or pier fishing. I like their rods though, it lasts.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Hampstead, MD
    Posts
    458

    Default

    I might get bashed for this, but I like the previous generation 6'6 Ugly Stik Bigwater spinning rods. I have one matched with an okuma abf-50(5000 size) baitfeeder spinning reel, perfect for bottom fishing. That was the combo that pulled in my PB kayak fish, a 40" blue catfish that I made a thread about earlier this year. I couldn't ask for a better bottom fishing rod within my budget (total for that setup is maybe 100-110$). I think the reel I've got isn't meant for jigging (too big/heavy), but I bet a 3000 or 4000 on the same rod would be fine for jigging heavier stuff. Not sure about it's sensitivity, but I felt all the tiniest nibbles from very finicky catfish, the smallest being about 16". Primarily I plan to use my normal, previous generation ugly stik (non-bigwater) or my ugly stik elite for jigging, both aren't nearly as beefy as the bigwater, so I imagine they'll be better for jigging smaller tackle, and bottom fishing with less than 2 ounces of weight ( maybe 1 oz max with the elite). Check ebay for the previous gen ugly stik bigwaters and regular ugly stiks, I have no experience with the newer ones, and I like the older color schemes better, so I just get the older ones. They also sell them at local fishing fleamarkets, ugly stiks last forever so you can usually find ones in decent shape for 1/2-1/4 price of a new one.

  8. #8

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by yakscientist View Post
    I might get bashed for this, but I like the previous generation 6'6 Ugly Stik Bigwater spinning rods.
    Thanks for the reference. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. You caught your personal best on it so there you go! I had couple ugly sticks and although they will probably outlast me, I find the tips too "loose". I haven't fished the Bigwater model but I'll have to take a look at Cabelas.

    I have added to the list. Sounds promising.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    448

    Default

    Ugly Stik all day.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Zack
    Camo 2014 OK Trident Ultra 4.7
    Blue 2015 Ascend FS12T
    "WV RiverRat" on Youtube.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Southern Maryland- Charles County
    Posts
    3,106

    Default

    Depends on what you are looking for- fiberglass blanks are tough as nails- rarely ever fail...but they have the sensitivity of a broomstick- better hope the fish hook themselves or takes off on a dead run...I would not recommend for tog fishing or any known "nibbler" bait stealers...SGlass blanks are a compromise and a hybrid of fiberglas and carbon- Capt. Blair Wiggins Flats Blues rods by Wright and McGill sold at Dick's Sporting Goods nation-wide retail at $99...Tiger Lite by Ugly Stick is supposed to be similiar to SGlass...better than fiberglass but not nearly as sensitive as high modulus core wrapped carbon blanks but by the same token more affordable...everything is a compromise- no such thing as a perfect rod...I am firmly in the John Veil camp- I choose to spend more to get more...top of the line equipment when you have a fish of a lifetime on is priceless...I favor St. Croix and Shimano brand rods, although I have other high end rods...I have a really nice 7' Castaway medium action spinning rod that is one of my favorite for tossing 1/4 oz jigs and 3-4 inch swimbaits- like John I rarely bottom fish except for Blue Catfish in the spring for filling my freezer with boneless, skinless filets- I use low profile Abu Revo Toro NaCl 50 Winch and Lews Speed Spool reels with 30# braid on St. Croix Avid 6'6" medium heavy rod and a 7' heavy St. Croix Avid rod...and they are just fine at that task- I use the same two low profile outfits for spring trophy season trolling for the bigger striped bass- but it all depends on your budget, and what your tolerance level is...what level of compromise you are willing to say...that's not perfect, but it's good enough...
    "Lady Luck" 2016 Red Hibiscus Outback
    "Ugly Duckling" 2010 Olive Hobie Outback
    "Wet Dream" 2011 yellow Ocean Prowler 13

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •