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ComeOnFish
04-07-2013, 02:06 AM
Mustafa (Abumasgouf) and I went to Occoquan for Shad. It was my first shad fishing of the year and Mustafa's first ever.

Because it was my first shad fishing this year, I wasn't sure whether shad were leaving, arriving, or here in full force

The Plan:
1. Locate shad by trolling 1/12oz gold Kast-Master cast spoons
2. Cast where we found a good number of shad

We didn't cast because shad weren't there in full force. My gut feeling is that Next week will be very good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8GYME31WAo

M_Duong60
04-07-2013, 06:22 AM
I wonder if a sabiki rig would work for shad....

ComeOnFish
04-07-2013, 11:27 AM
I wonder if a sabiki rig would work for shad....

It may work if you find the one with bigger baits on the Sabiki rig. But I think the Sabiki rig can be used only once. The sabiki rig will be seriously damaged /tangled after one shad.
I used sabiki rigs on a power boat and bank. That is fine. I also used sabiki rig for baitfish on a kayak. I never try again. a 6' long Sabiki rig is very hard to use on a kayak. You need a long rod because you are sitting on a kayak. and the hooks on the Sabiki rig will mate each other, and snag your cloth and skin. When you give up using a sabiki rig, you have to go through the hassle to pack it. I usually wrapped the sabiki rig and put it into a sandwich bag. And I got back to the land I throw it away. Untangling a sabiki rig for reuse did not worth the effort. Or you need to be very patient person. Obviously I am not a patient person

Joe

M_Duong60
04-07-2013, 11:42 AM
Well I was thinking that if that was a problem (which it will be) I might just cut one in half and make it into 2 rigs that might reduce tangling. Not sure if it would make it less effective but I don't think it will make mush of a difference.

bignose
04-07-2013, 12:34 PM
A sabiki rig with more than two hooks is illegal to use in Maryland waters.
Maryland restricts you to no more than two hooks (sets of hooks-lures with treble hooks are considered as set) per rod.
I recommend a double shad dart or dart and spoon rig.
I use a heavier dart on the dropper, usually an 1/8 oz dart on a 1 foot leader, and a lighter dart or small nungusser or tony spoon on the trailer, about 24" of leader. Most of the strikes will be on the trailer.
I tie these to a small ball bearing swivel that attaches to the main (braid) line.

ComeOnFish
04-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Well I was thinking that if that was a problem (which it will be) I might just cut one in half and make it into 2 rigs that might reduce tangling. Not sure if it would make it less effective but I don't think it will make mush of a difference.

I thought about a tandem shad rig because I am a tandem-rig-enthusiastic. Because the lures for shad are so light and I need to move the lure at a good speed - jigging and retrieve or simple retrieve, I don't know how to rig two lures on a line.

BTW the1/12oz gold Kast Master out performs in Occoquan for some reason. The heavier one 1/8oz was easy to cast but it didn't do good for me. Perhaps it is because the 1/8oz sink too much when I use 4-6#test mono.

bignose
04-07-2013, 01:19 PM
If you are trolling a small tandem rig, try attaching a light weight trolling sinker, 1/2 to 1 oz. or so, to the main line and then tie the tandem off of that. It's a like a mini version of the tandem rigs we troll for stipers in the Bay. We use sinkers from 2-16 oz. with wire line, and 80 lb test leaders, 6' on the dropper and 12 ' on the trailer. Some of the lures we use are as big as some of the shad.
Some guys are using a Bass style bullet worm sinker above the tie in point. Old school guys on the Susky will clamp 3-4 small split shot on the main line, but I find that this gets hung up too much.
Or use a heavier 1/4 oz. dart on the dropper (short leader).
Don't try to use a double spoon rig, a sure recipe to tangle and twist up.
4-6 lb. may be a little light for this sort of rig.

ComeOnFish
04-07-2013, 03:04 PM
Bignose,
Thanks for the good info. I can use the info for other species which I can keep and eat. For shad, I will stick with a singe lure. I do shad fishing because they put out good fight for their size for the light tackle. All I want is to see those few fantastic leaps out of water.

joe

bignose
04-07-2013, 04:56 PM
Poor man's Tarpon!
Glad to see them come and glad to see them go!

AbuMasgouf
04-08-2013, 08:07 AM
Awesome day! Thank you so much Joe for helping me catch my first hickory shad ever! I'm planning on hitting Occoquan again next week. Hopefully Joe's gut feeling will be right! :)

MetroMan
04-08-2013, 08:47 AM
Nice going!!

wfauby
04-08-2013, 10:01 AM
Friends went to Fletchers this weekend (rented their row boats) and had a great day....The shad are at Fletchers in force. Has anyone ever launched their kayak @ Fletchers? Do they allow access to the water @/near their dock or do you have to go a little upstream or downstream...I have only fished there once (last year) out of one of their boats...i had a great day, but would like to kayak it.

ComeOnFish
04-08-2013, 01:40 PM
Awesome day! Thank you so much Joe for helping me catch my first hickory shad ever! I'm planning on hitting Occoquan again next week. Hopefully Joe's gut feeling will be right! :)

Sorry. I just bought he last KastMaster 1/12oz - which you didn't bought.

PS. If I can fish, I am heading for DE or CBBT this coming Sat.

joe

AbuMasgouf
04-08-2013, 02:52 PM
Sorry. I just bought he last KastMaster 1/12oz - which you didn't bought.

PS. If I can fish, I am heading for DE or CBBT this coming Sat.

joe

No worries, I actually went Saturday evening and bought 2 :) By the way Walmart in fairlakes also carries them but they are surprisingly 20 cents cheaper at Dick's.

If you are heading to DE or CBBT I should be able to join you. Let me know :)

M_Duong60
04-08-2013, 05:31 PM
Just a heads up...winds are forecasted to be at 15 mph in DE on Saturday.

J.A. Veil
04-08-2013, 06:10 PM
A sabiki rig with more than two hooks is illegal to use in Maryland waters.
Maryland restricts you to no more than two hooks (sets of hooks-lures with treble hooks are considered as set) per rod.
I recommend a double shad dart or dart and spoon rig.
I use a heavier dart on the dropper, usually an 1/8 oz dart on a 1 foot leader, and a lighter dart or small nungusser or tony spoon on the trailer, about 24" of leader. Most of the strikes will be on the trailer.
I tie these to a small ball bearing swivel that attaches to the main (braid) line.

Last year Bignose showed me how to rig up for shad when we fished at Fletchers together. He knows what he is talking about. I put the knowledge to good use this morning, catching 11 shad in 15 minutes on the lower Susquehanna using several rigs I modelled after the one he made for me last year.

bignose
04-08-2013, 06:13 PM
11 in 15 minutes! Wow, you must have had a blast!

HJS
04-08-2013, 07:46 PM
Friends went to Fletchers this weekend (rented their row boats) and had a great day....The shad are at Fletchers in force. Has anyone ever launched their kayak @ Fletchers? Do they allow access to the water @/near their dock or do you have to go a little upstream or downstream...I have only fished there once (last year) out of one of their boats...i had a great day, but would like to kayak it.

You can launch a cartop kayak/canoe at the far end of the lower parking lot for free. NO boat trailers allowed. The river is about 200 feet from where you park. Its an easy carry over level grass/dirt. A kayak cart would work great here.

Financeguru
04-16-2013, 03:23 PM
Do you have to go through that low ceiling tunnel to get to the lower parking lot at Fletcher's? If so, wouldn't many car top kayaks not make the little clearance given in that tunnel area?

Shady
04-16-2013, 08:03 PM
Do you have to go through that low ceiling tunnel to get to the lower parking lot at Fletcher's? If so, wouldn't many car top kayaks not make the little clearance given in that tunnel area?

cartop kayak should have no problem, SUV or trucktop kayak may have problem

loupa5
04-16-2013, 08:29 PM
Hey John, can you post an image of that rig?